Coinbase首席执行官Brian Armstrong说，比特币（BTC）可能成为世界的储备货币

在这里，布莱恩·阿姆斯特朗（Brian Armstrong）在Coinbase Summit，Brian，很高兴在这里见到您。您放弃了一些新产品，但是您说了什么

Here with Brian Armstrong at the Coinbase (NASDAQ:COIN) Summit, Brian, good to see you here. You dropped some new products, but there was something you said on stage that caught my attention. You said that Bitcoin could become the world’s reserve currency because of the US debt situation, which is ballooning. Now, how realistic is that?

在这里，布莱恩·阿姆斯特朗（Brian Armstrong）在Coinbase（NASDAQ：COIN）峰会，Brian，很高兴在这里见到您。您放弃了一些新产品，但是您在舞台上说的话引起了我的注意。您说，由于美国债务状况正在激增，比特币可能会成为世界上的储备货币。现在，这有多现实？

Well, it really is unclear at this point, but one thing that is clear is that democracies around the world are having trouble getting deficit spending under control. And you know, that can only, if you study history, right, the changing world order, different empires, like who had the reserve currency different moments in time, once you decouple currency from hard commodities, the inevitable story is they get overprinted and extend, right? And so I think right now, I, to be clear, you know, I want the US to maintain the reserve currency status. I think a strong America is very important for the world, and I think cryptocurrency is helping the dollar enormously with things like USDC and stable coins. But if the debt situation doesn't get fixed, I do think that eventually Bitcoin will have to become the reserve currency, for better or worse. It's not going to be the Chinese RMB because I think they have their own debt problems, and it's not a coincidence that as we're seeing all-time highs in US debt, we're seeing all-time highs in Bitcoin.

好吧，目前尚不清楚，但是很明显的是，世界各地的民主国家都无法控制赤字支出。而且您知道，只有在学习历史，正确，世界秩序不断变化的帝国，例如谁在储备货币上不同的时刻，一旦您将货币从硬商品中解散，不可避免的故事就会变得过度张开和扩展，才能吧？因此，我认为现在我认为，我知道，我希望美国保持储备货币状态。我认为强大的美国对世界非常重要，而且我认为加密货币正在用USDC和稳定的硬币巨大帮助美元。但是，如果债务状况没有解决，我确实认为，无论好坏，比特币都必须成为储备货币。这不会是中国人民币，因为我认为他们有自己的债务问题，这并不是巧合，因为我们看到美国债务的历史最高点，所以我们看到了比特币的历史最高点。

We had a great chart in there too in your presentation, but what is the, what's the tipping point for that to happen. When debt hits a certain level, suddenly we have to worry about the world reserve currency being the US dollar?

您的演示文稿中也有一个很棒的图表，但是什么是什么，这是什么。当债务达到一定水平时，突然我们不得不担心世界预备货币是美元吗？

Yeah, I mean there's not usually, it's like one of these things like the frog is slowly cooked and you know, I think if you look at other countries in the past, it was maybe around 150% or 200% debt to GDP, things started to get a little wonky. And so we'll have to see what happens. I hope that the Congress, which is doing an amazing job by the way and on passing legislation in a bipartisan way for crypto, and this administration, the Trump administration, has been an incredible tailwind for crypto. They've done an incredible job. So, you know, I think there's a lot to be grateful for, but if I hope that, you know, the US government can get the spending under control to preserve this American experiment.

是的，我的意思是通常没有，就像青蛙慢慢煮熟的那样，我知道，如果您过去看其他国家，可能是大约150％或200％的GDP债务，事情开始变得有些奇怪。因此，我们必须看看会发生什么。我希望，顺便说一句，国会在以两党的方式为加密货币做出了出色的立法，而特朗普政府的政府对加密货币来说是一场令人难以置信的尾风。他们做得不可思议。因此，您知道，我认为有很多值得感激的事，但是如果我希望，如果我知道，美国政府可以控制支出以保留这项美国实验。

Do you agree with with Elon that this tax bill that might pass, that could be the triggering point, that's the triggering point for potential economic crisis?

您是否同意埃隆（Elon）的同意，这本可能通过的税收法案可能是触发点，这是潜在经济危机的触发点？

You know, I'm not, so I'm reading both sides on this and I don't, I don't know enough to say for sure to be honest with you, you're a little, you're asking questions a little above my pay grade, but I think, you know, this bill, it doesn't have the full ability to touch on discretionary spending, there may need to be a follow-on bill to that. I hope that they're working on that and make the best they can of this bill, maybe there needs to be separate legislation to to cut spending elsewhere, I don't know.

您知道，我不是，所以我在这方面都在阅读双方，但我不知道一定要对您诚实，您有点诚实，您在提出的薪水等级略高一点，但我想，您知道，这笔账单没有完全触摸可酌情支出的能力，可能需要在此范围内做一个账单。我希望他们正在努力并尽力而为，也许需要单独的立法来削减其他地方的支出，我不知道。

What would a, what would a Bitcoin reserve currency mean to a company like Coinbase?

什么，比特币储备货币对像Coinbase这样的公司意味着什么？

Well, it would certainly mean increased adoption of Bitcoin, right? I think that our goal is to power more and more of people's financial lives with Coinbase products and we started in trading, now we're moving into all kinds of financial services like payments and borrowing and lending. And eventually, I think crypto and Coinbase can be a replacement for people's bank account, right? I think that more and more of their financial life will happen on chain with Coinbase, and it'll being bring new benefits and services to customers. Like why shouldn't you earn four and a half percent on your checking account, or why can't you send money instantly any where in the world for free, or, you know, if you if you live in Turkey or Nigeria, why can't you trade US equities 24/7 with perpetual futures, right?

好吧，这无疑意味着比特币的采用增加，对吗？我认为我们的目标是用Coinbase产品为人们越来越多的财务生活，我们开始进行交易，现在我们正在进入各种金融服务，例如付款，借贷和贷款。最终，我认为加密货币和Coinbase可以替代人们的银行帐户，对吗？我认为，他们的财务生活越来越多，将与Coinbase的连锁店发生，并且将为客户带来新的收益和服务。就像为什么您不应该在支票帐户上赚到四百分之一半，或者为什么不能立即免费向世界上免费汇款，或者，如果您住在土耳其或尼日利亚，为什么您不能以永久性期货24/7交易美国股票，对吗？

It's logical, right?

这是合乎逻辑的，对吗？

Yeah, I mean there, there's, sometimes there's artificial barriers and middlemen taking fees and like that's what crypto is all about, it's about updating the financial system, bringing freedom and individual sovereignty to people all over the world.

是的，我的意思是，有时候有人造障碍和中间商收取费用，就像加密货币所在，这是关于更新金融体系，为世界各地的人们带来自由和个人主权。

I was reading some research on crypto from the JP Morgan team and they said the retail investor is looking for the next catalyst in Bitcoin. It made sense because it's been a pretty big year, we've had the Bitcoin (BTC/USD) reserve, we have companies like yours putting out new products. But is the next catalyst

我正在阅读JP Morgan团队对加密货币的一些研究，他们说散户投资者正在寻找比特币的下一个催化剂。这是有道理的，因为这已经很重要了，我们拥有比特币（BTC/USD）储备金，我们有像您这样的公司推出新产品。但是是下一个催化剂